Se tot discuta despre Ciobanescul rusesc de sud (South russian ovtcharka), Ciobanescul catalan, Ciobanescul polonez de campie ca fiind asemanatori cu Mioriticul, ba mai mult ca de-a lungul istoriei au avut loc intersectari ale acestor rase, dupa unii avand chiar origine comuna.
O discutie pe aceasta tema ar putea incepe cu expunerea standardelor raselor respective.

Deocamdata in engleza despre ciobanescul rusesc de sud.O sa mai caut si ceva in romana.

South russian ovcharka
Standard FCI N 326 (16.09.96)

ORIGIN : Russia.
UTILIZATION : Sheepdog
CLASSIFICATION FCI Group 1 Sheepdogs and Cattle Dogs (except Swiss Cattle Dogs)
Section 1 Sheepdogs Without working trial.

The Ovtcharka of meridional Russia Is a dog of robust constitution, of above average size; he is fierce and distrustful of strangers, not very demanding and adapts easily to diverse climatic conditions and temperatures.

GENERAL APPEARANCE : Robust, lean, with massive bone structure and a strongly developed musculature.

Faults : Frail constitution, bones too light, Insufficient musculature; constitution of coarse or gross appearance.

Sexual type : Well evident according to sex. The males are courageous, stronger and more massive than the females.
Faults Females of male type.
Severe faults Effeminate type male.

IMPORTANT PRODORTIONS :
- Index of bone structure : Males 17 - 19
Females 16 - 18
- Length index (Format) : 108 - 110.
Faults : Slight divergences of the given norm.
Severe faults : Accentuated divergences of the given norms (square shape or very elongated).

BEHAVIOR/TEMERAMENT : Type of highly nervous activity, strong, balanced, lively. Dominant action active way of defense.

Faults : Excessive excitability, timidity, laziness.
Severe faults Uncontrolled excitability, cowardice.

HEAD : Elongated shape with a moderately broad forehead; the occipital crest and the zygomatic arches are strongly pronounced. The stop is barely visible. The nose is big, black.

Faults : Coarse head, accentuated stop, superciliary arches prominent, muzzle too short or too elongated, gray lips; nose gray or brown. Severe faults Narrow muzzle, weak, turned up, of truncated shape. Pink nose.

Teeth : White, big, fitting closely. The incisors are set regularly and close in scissor bite.

Faults Teeth too small and spaced, yellow or prematurely worn. Broken teeth but not impeding a correct closure of the jaws. Lack of premolars.
Severe faults Everything which does not correspond to a perfect closure of the teeth In scissor bite. Decayed teeth. Incisors set Irregularly.

Ears : Relatively small, of triangular shape, hanging. Faults : Detached ears.

Eyes Oval shape, set horizontally, dark; the eyelids lean, tight. Faults : Light eyes.

Severe faults : Eyes of different colors, pink eyelids.

NECK Lean, muscular, of moderate length, set high. Faults : Neck too short, set low.

BODY

Withers : Apparent but not high.

Back : Straight and strong.

Faults : Weak back or roach-back.
Severe faults Saddle back or humped.

Loin Short, broad, rounded.

Faults Slightly elongated, straight or too rounded.
Severe faults : Long, narrow, drooping.

Chest : Reasonably broad, slightly flattened, deep.

Faults Chest insufficiently let down (above the elbow).
Severe faults : Narrow chest, too small, barrel shaped.

Belly: Moderately tucked up.

Faults Excessively whippety or sagging.

FEET (Front and back) : oval shaped, strong, well arched, covered with long hair.

Faults : Flat feet, splayed feet.

GAIT / MOVEMENT The gaits are free and extended. The natural gaits of this dog are the heavy trot and the gallop. At the trot, the legs move in a straight line with a slight convergence to the median line. The articulations of the fore- and hindquarters straigthening up freely.

Faults : Slight lateral deviation in the movement of the legs; Insufficient straightening up of the articulations.
Severe faults Restrained gait, lack in action.

COAT

HAIR : Long (10-15 cm), coarse, thick, dense, of equal length on head, chest, legs and tail, with a well developed undercoat.

Faults Straight hair.
Severe faults Short hair, soft texture.

COLOR Most often white, but also white and yellow, straw color, grayish (ashen gray) and other shades of gray; white lightly marked with gray; gray speckled.

Severe faults : Black, rushy or brown coat; strongly speckled.

HEIGIT AT WITHERS Males a minimum of 65 cm. Females : a minimum of 62 cm.

Faults : Size of less than 65 cm for the males, less than 62 cm for the females.
Severe faults Size of less than 60 cm for the males, less than 58 cm for the females.

FAULTS : Any departure from the foregoing points should be considered a fault and the seriousness with which the fault Is regarded should be In exact proportion to its degree.

ELIMINATING FAULTS
- Everything which does not correspond to a correct closure of jaws in scissor bite.
- Hair short or straight.
- All the shades of the coat which have not been taken into consideration in the present standard.

N.B. : Male animals should have two apparently normal testicles fully descended into the scrotum.

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Ciobanescul Polonez de campie

Polish Ov-CHA-rek Nee-ZHEE-nee

The Polish Lowland Sheepdog is a medium sized, shaggy working dog. The head is moderately broad and slightly domed. The drop ears are heart-shaped and set moderately high. The eyes are hazel or brown, but can also be blue although it is not accepted in the AKC show ring. The nose is dark. The teeth meet in a level bite. The back is level and fairly broad. The loins and thighs are well-muscled and broad. The tail is a natural bobtail or is docked short. The Polish Lowland Sheepdog has a long wire-haired coat, with a soft under-layer. All coat colors are permitted, but white with gray or black, or plain gray are more common. The Polish Lowland Sheepdog has a lot of hair on its forehead, cheeks, chin and legs.

Temperament

This animated, clever, happy, and alert dog has a good memory. It is obedient, intelligent and affectionate. Somewhat reserved and watchful with strangers, it will announce visitors loudly. The Polish Lowland Sheepdog should be accustomed to people at an early age. Dependable and fairly easy to train, once convinced the handler is a strong minded being that can take care of its "pack", the Polish Lowland Sheepdog will make the owner happy. It learns quickly and is very willing to please; however, it can be willful if it senses it is stronger minded than its owner. This breed is responsive to firm, fair obedience training; but he is also clever, strong-willed, and will think he knows best if you are not properly communicating with him. The Polish Lowland Sheepdog is a serious, responsible dog who could bite if provoked. This sheepdog may nip at people's heels, displaying herding behavior. The Polish Lowland Sheepdog is excellent with children when raised with them from puppyhood and/or properly socialized. They can be friendly with other dogs; but they will hold their own if another dog tries to knock them out from being the leader. The Polish Lowland Sheepdog will usually do okay with other non-canine pets. As a working dog for many centuries, the Polish Lowland Sheepdog is happiest when it is given a job to do. This breed is lively and clever enough to work sheep alone. This cute, shaggy dog does not grow into a calm, little lap-dog. The Polish Lowland Sheepdog is a curious, muscular, agile dog, that is liable to find trouble if left alone without leadership, and the proper mental and physical exercise. This breed needs an owner who is firm and consistent. Socialization and training are important. This breed is adaptable and makes a good traveling companion.
Height, Weight

Height: 16-20 inches (41-51 cm.)
Weight: 30-35 pounds (14-16 kg.)
Health Problems

This is a fairly hardy breed.
Living conditions

The Polish Lowland Sheepdog can live in an apartment if it gets plenty of exercise and has a job to do. It prefers cool climates.
Exercise

The Polish Lowland Sheepdog is a working dog at heart. It once watched over herds and flocks on the Polish plains. This dog is definitely not suited to town or city life, unless you plan on spending a lot of time exercising and stimulating. This intelligent dog needs stimulation and a job to do. Playing an active game of catch or Frisbee, or joining agility classes are just some of the things you can do to keep the Polish Lowland Sheepdog simulated and happy. If they are not actively working, they need to be taken on a couple of daily, long, brisk walks or jogs. While out on the walk the dog must be made to heel beside or behind the person holding the lead, as instinct tells a dog the leader leads the way, and that leader needs to be the human.
Life Expectancy

About 12-15 years.
Grooming

The long wire-haired coat of the Polish Lowland Sheepdog needs to be groomed thoroughly with a brush once a week to prevent matting. The Polish Lowland Sheepdog sheds little to no hair and is good for allergy suffers.
Origin

The Polish Lowland Sheepdog, also called the Polish Owczarek Nizinny is sometimes shortened to PONS. The dogs worked on the lowland plains. Some say that this medium-sized, robust sheepdog evolved from ancient, corded herding dogs from the Hungarian plains, which were bred with other small, long-coated mountain herders, and more recent, shaggy herders, such as the Scottish Bearded Collie and Dutch Schapendoes. It is also said to have Tibetan Terrier and Lhasa Apso in its blood. Like many breeds World War II very nearly led to the breed's extinction and was revived by Polish breeders after the war. Popular in Poland and elsewhere, it is generally kept as a household companion, although it remains an excellent herder. It can also work in obedience, tracking agility and therapy. The Polish Lowland Sheepdog was recognized by the AKC in 2001.

Group

Herding
Recognition

FCI, KCGB, NKC, NZKC, CKC, APONC, APRI, ACR, DRA

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Native Country
Spain

Other Names

Catalonian Shepherd

Breed Description

Head: Strong, slightly convex. Pronounced stop. Straight, short forehead. Cone-shaped muzzle.
Ears: Set on high. Fine leather. Drop, triangular ending in a point. Cropped ears are acceptable for working dogs.

Eyes: Round. Dark amber eyes. Black rims.
Body: Strong with length being slightly greater than height. Deep chest. Ribs well sprung. Straight back. Powerful, slightly sloped croup.

Tail: Attached low. Long or short (maximum length 10 cm). Some varieties are naturally tailless. Docked tail is permitted for working dogs. Hangs in a hook when relaxed. Richly clad with hair.

Hair: Long, flat, and rough. Thick undercoat. Full beard, mustache, forelock, and fall. Seasonal shedding occurs in two stages, beginning with the front half of the body, followed by the back half of the body.
Coat: Color created by a mixture of hairs of various shades – fawn, reddish-brown, gray, black, and white. The base colors are fawn, gray, and sable.

Size: Dog: 47 to 55 cm.Bitch: 45 to 53 cm.
Weight: Dog: approx. 18 kg.Bitch: approx. 16 kg.

History
This breed came from Catalonia, Spain. It is presumed that he is descended from the ancient Pyrenees sheepdogs. During the Spanish Civil War, the Catalan Sheepdog served as messenger and sentry.

Behavior
The Catalan Sheepdog is courageous, intelligent, and energetic. His greatest traits shine through when herding; not only is he obedient to the commands of his handler, but he often takes the initiative, directing the sheep with remarkable ease. This brave, alert breed also makes an excellent guard dog. As a pet, he is loyal and gentle with children. This breed is well adapted to living outdoors.

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In stadardul pentru SRO de mai sus, mi se pare foarte importanta descrierea parului.

"Lung (10-15 cm), aspru, gros, dens, de lungime egală pe cap, piept, picioare si coada, cu un subpar bine dezvoltat."

Peste tot auzim ca SRO nu are subpar, standardul lor spune ca dimpotriva !

La rase inrudite cu mioriticul intra si komondorul si ciobanescul de Bergamo (Bergamasco).

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Îndatã se rãsuceste pe loc si nãvãleste. Nu mai e, pare-se, acelasi câine. Ca si când deodatã ar fi intrat în el diavolul. Se repede ca turbat, pârâie crengile pe unde trece, latrã veninos, atacã, se suceste, atacã si din partea de dincolo.

Asa este, Nelu, dupa unii si Bobtail.

În creșterea câinilor de rasa, la modul general, de-a lungul timpului au existat și vor exista tendințe. Nici Mioriticul nu face excepție, tendința actuală este aceea de a obține câini cu pigment cât mai puternic, pe lângă alte câteva aspecte.
Principala explicație pentru care unii duc la extrem prezența acestui pigment gri-cărbunos ar fi că se dorește diferențierea de SRO. Chiar și arbitrii susțin asta în timpul arbitrajelor !
Dar iată că și la SRO sunt exemplare ce prezintă același pigment:

1. http://www.southrussianovcharka.com/witgrijszro.jpg
2. http://www.southrussianovcharka.com/bestofmales.jpg
3. http://www.southrussianovcharka.com/eymovingsro.jpg
4. http://www.southrussianovcharka.com/Aleks2.JPG

Deci, diferențele față de Rusescul de Sud sunt altele (indiscutabil, diferențe există), cei care l-au văzut în realitate pot spune asta.

Cel de pe locul 2 este mioritic sau SRO?

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